{"id":5698,"date":"2024-01-18T11:06:35","date_gmt":"2024-01-18T11:06:35","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/la-vie-et-apres.fr\/testimonials\/"},"modified":"2024-03-21T10:36:24","modified_gmt":"2024-03-21T10:36:24","slug":"testimonials","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/la-vie-et-apres.fr\/en\/testimonials\/","title":{"rendered":"Testimonials"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>Here are a few testimonials from people who have undergone an IME or other &#8220;altered state of consciousness&#8221; experience. This is a very subjective selection; you can find thousands of other stories, some of them in French, on the site of <strong>\n  <a href=\"https:\/\/www.nderf.org\/French\/\">NDERF &#8211; Near-Death Experiences Research Foundation<\/a>\n<\/strong>and on the <a data-type=\"link\" data-id=\"http:\/\/www.iands-france.org\/\" href=\"http:\/\/www.iands-france.org\/\">IANDS &#8211; France<\/a> website.<\/p>\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-buttons is-layout-flex wp-block-buttons-is-layout-flex\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-button\"><a class=\"wp-block-button__link wp-element-button\" href=\"https:\/\/la-vie-et-apres.fr\/en\/articles\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Read also articles<\/a><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<ul class=\"wp-block-latest-posts__list is-grid columns-3 has-dates wp-block-latest-posts\"><li><div class=\"wp-block-latest-posts__featured-image\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"360\" height=\"360\" src=\"https:\/\/la-vie-et-apres.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/getty-images-v91ZiSvoVic-unsplas.jpg\" class=\"attachment-large size-large wp-post-image\" alt=\"\" style=\"\" srcset=\"https:\/\/la-vie-et-apres.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/getty-images-v91ZiSvoVic-unsplas.jpg 360w, https:\/\/la-vie-et-apres.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/getty-images-v91ZiSvoVic-unsplas-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/la-vie-et-apres.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/getty-images-v91ZiSvoVic-unsplas-150x150.jpg 150w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 360px) 100vw, 360px\" \/><\/div><a class=\"wp-block-latest-posts__post-title\" href=\"https:\/\/la-vie-et-apres.fr\/en\/when-the-heart-awakens-to-love-exploring-unconditional-love\/\">When the heart awakens to Love &#8211; exploring unconditional love<\/a><time datetime=\"2025-07-07T14:03:31+00:00\" class=\"wp-block-latest-posts__post-date\">July 7, 2025<\/time><div class=\"wp-block-latest-posts__post-excerpt\">Betty J. Eadie experienced a particularly detailed and spectacular NDE. She recounts it in her book &#8220;In the Arms of Light&#8221;. In her second book, &#8220;The Awakening Heart&#8221;, she recounts the rest of her journey. She has worked tirelessly to share the message of love, hope and joy she received during her NDE. Here are\u2026 <a class=\"wp-block-latest-posts__read-more\" href=\"https:\/\/la-vie-et-apres.fr\/en\/when-the-heart-awakens-to-love-exploring-unconditional-love\/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Read more<span class=\"screen-reader-text\">: When the heart awakens to Love &#8211; exploring unconditional love<\/span><\/a><\/div><\/li>\n<li><div class=\"wp-block-latest-posts__featured-image\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"360\" height=\"360\" src=\"https:\/\/la-vie-et-apres.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/03\/tomas-malik-684FPBKzX-M-unsplash.jpg\" class=\"attachment-large size-large wp-post-image\" alt=\"\" style=\"\" srcset=\"https:\/\/la-vie-et-apres.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/03\/tomas-malik-684FPBKzX-M-unsplash.jpg 360w, https:\/\/la-vie-et-apres.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/03\/tomas-malik-684FPBKzX-M-unsplash-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/la-vie-et-apres.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/03\/tomas-malik-684FPBKzX-M-unsplash-150x150.jpg 150w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 360px) 100vw, 360px\" \/><\/div><a class=\"wp-block-latest-posts__post-title\" href=\"https:\/\/la-vie-et-apres.fr\/en\/the-light-after-death-my-journey-to-heaven-and-back-the-story-of-vincent-todd-tolman\/\">The Light After Death: My Journey to Heaven and Back &#8211; The Story of Vincent Todd Tolman<\/a><time datetime=\"2025-03-25T18:10:59+00:00\" class=\"wp-block-latest-posts__post-date\">March 25, 2025<\/time><div class=\"wp-block-latest-posts__post-excerpt\">Vincent Todd Tolman had a magnificent NDE, in which he realized that Love is the foundation and key to all that exists. He returned determined to share this message as widely as possible. Here are some extracts from his book The Light After Death: My Journey To Heaven and Back. Love is like a tangible\u2026 <a class=\"wp-block-latest-posts__read-more\" href=\"https:\/\/la-vie-et-apres.fr\/en\/the-light-after-death-my-journey-to-heaven-and-back-the-story-of-vincent-todd-tolman\/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Read more<span class=\"screen-reader-text\">: The Light After Death: My Journey to Heaven and Back &#8211; The Story of Vincent Todd Tolman<\/span><\/a><\/div><\/li>\n<li><div class=\"wp-block-latest-posts__featured-image\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"360\" height=\"360\" src=\"https:\/\/la-vie-et-apres.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/steven-su-LobstcYckTk-unsplash.jpg\" class=\"attachment-large size-large wp-post-image\" alt=\"\" style=\"\" srcset=\"https:\/\/la-vie-et-apres.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/steven-su-LobstcYckTk-unsplash.jpg 360w, https:\/\/la-vie-et-apres.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/steven-su-LobstcYckTk-unsplash-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/la-vie-et-apres.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/01\/steven-su-LobstcYckTk-unsplash-150x150.jpg 150w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 360px) 100vw, 360px\" \/><\/div><a class=\"wp-block-latest-posts__post-title\" href=\"https:\/\/la-vie-et-apres.fr\/en\/light-is-joy-and-happiness\/\">Light is joy and happiness<\/a><time datetime=\"2025-01-27T14:41:41+00:00\" class=\"wp-block-latest-posts__post-date\">January 27, 2025<\/time><div class=\"wp-block-latest-posts__post-excerpt\">Andy Petro had a profound IME while drowning in a lake as a child. Decades later, he recounted it in his book &#8220;Alive in the Light: Remembering Eternity&#8221;. Here are a few short extracts. The radiant light, which looks like a thousand exploding suns, invades the darkness. My retinas should be burned by its brilliance,\u2026 <a class=\"wp-block-latest-posts__read-more\" href=\"https:\/\/la-vie-et-apres.fr\/en\/light-is-joy-and-happiness\/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Read more<span class=\"screen-reader-text\">: Light is joy and happiness<\/span><\/a><\/div><\/li>\n<li><div class=\"wp-block-latest-posts__featured-image\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"360\" height=\"360\" src=\"https:\/\/la-vie-et-apres.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/12\/soleil-levant.jpg\" class=\"attachment-large size-large wp-post-image\" alt=\"\" style=\"\" srcset=\"https:\/\/la-vie-et-apres.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/12\/soleil-levant.jpg 360w, https:\/\/la-vie-et-apres.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/12\/soleil-levant-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/la-vie-et-apres.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/12\/soleil-levant-150x150.jpg 150w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 360px) 100vw, 360px\" \/><\/div><a class=\"wp-block-latest-posts__post-title\" href=\"https:\/\/la-vie-et-apres.fr\/en\/at-the-source-of-existence\/\">At the source of existence<\/a><time datetime=\"2024-12-10T17:22:57+00:00\" class=\"wp-block-latest-posts__post-date\">December 10, 2024<\/time><div class=\"wp-block-latest-posts__post-excerpt\">Anke Evertz had an NDE after being accidentally burned alive. She tells it like this: &#8220;It happened on a cold September evening. My whole body &#8211; lighting the fireplace &#8211; caught fire in an instant. Everything in me went up in flames, and after a few seconds, all I could do was breathe in the\u2026 <a class=\"wp-block-latest-posts__read-more\" href=\"https:\/\/la-vie-et-apres.fr\/en\/at-the-source-of-existence\/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Read more<span class=\"screen-reader-text\">: At the source of existence<\/span><\/a><\/div><\/li>\n<li><div class=\"wp-block-latest-posts__featured-image\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"360\" height=\"360\" src=\"https:\/\/la-vie-et-apres.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/love-2.jpg\" class=\"attachment-large size-large wp-post-image\" alt=\"\" style=\"\" srcset=\"https:\/\/la-vie-et-apres.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/love-2.jpg 360w, https:\/\/la-vie-et-apres.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/love-2-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/la-vie-et-apres.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/love-2-150x150.jpg 150w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 360px) 100vw, 360px\" \/><\/div><a class=\"wp-block-latest-posts__post-title\" href=\"https:\/\/la-vie-et-apres.fr\/en\/an-ime-after-a-suicide-attempt\/\">An NDE after a suicide attempt<\/a><time datetime=\"2024-11-22T15:04:16+00:00\" class=\"wp-block-latest-posts__post-date\">November 22, 2024<\/time><div class=\"wp-block-latest-posts__post-excerpt\">Chris Batts had an NDE after attempting suicide by jumping out of a speeding car. He recounts his experience and how it profoundly transformed his life in his book Boom! The Life and Times of a Suicide Near Death Experiencer (untranslated). Here are a few extracts. I&#8217;m missing something Before my NDE, I hadn&#8217;t given\u2026 <a class=\"wp-block-latest-posts__read-more\" href=\"https:\/\/la-vie-et-apres.fr\/en\/an-ime-after-a-suicide-attempt\/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Read more<span class=\"screen-reader-text\">: An NDE after a suicide attempt<\/span><\/a><\/div><\/li>\n<li><div class=\"wp-block-latest-posts__featured-image\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"360\" height=\"240\" src=\"https:\/\/la-vie-et-apres.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/09\/groupe-1-bis.jpg\" class=\"attachment-large size-large wp-post-image\" alt=\"\" style=\"\" srcset=\"https:\/\/la-vie-et-apres.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/09\/groupe-1-bis.jpg 360w, https:\/\/la-vie-et-apres.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/09\/groupe-1-bis-300x200.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 360px) 100vw, 360px\" \/><\/div><a class=\"wp-block-latest-posts__post-title\" href=\"https:\/\/la-vie-et-apres.fr\/en\/dont-know-who-to-talk-to-about-your-ime\/\">Have you experienced a NDE and don&#8217;t know who to talk to about it?<\/a><time datetime=\"2024-09-26T13:18:06+00:00\" class=\"wp-block-latest-posts__post-date\">September 26, 2024<\/time><div class=\"wp-block-latest-posts__post-excerpt\">You&#8217;ve come to the right place. Perhaps you&#8217;ve had a shattering, luminous experience that&#8217;s hard to put into words.Since then, nothing seems the same.You feel that something fundamental has changed in you&#8230; but those around you don&#8217;t understand. People look at you with round eyes, minimize, ironize &#8211; or worse, say nothing at all. You&#8217;re\u2026 <a class=\"wp-block-latest-posts__read-more\" href=\"https:\/\/la-vie-et-apres.fr\/en\/dont-know-who-to-talk-to-about-your-ime\/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Read more<span class=\"screen-reader-text\">: Have you experienced a NDE and don&#8217;t know who to talk to about it?<\/span><\/a><\/div><\/li>\n<li><div class=\"wp-block-latest-posts__featured-image\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"360\" height=\"360\" src=\"https:\/\/la-vie-et-apres.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/07\/amour-universel-2.png\" class=\"attachment-large size-large wp-post-image\" alt=\"\" style=\"\" srcset=\"https:\/\/la-vie-et-apres.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/07\/amour-universel-2.png 360w, https:\/\/la-vie-et-apres.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/07\/amour-universel-2-300x300.png 300w, https:\/\/la-vie-et-apres.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/07\/amour-universel-2-150x150.png 150w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 360px) 100vw, 360px\" \/><\/div><a class=\"wp-block-latest-posts__post-title\" href=\"https:\/\/la-vie-et-apres.fr\/en\/how-did-you-like-it\/\">How have you loved?<\/a><time datetime=\"2024-07-05T14:15:52+00:00\" class=\"wp-block-latest-posts__post-date\">July 5, 2024<\/time><div class=\"wp-block-latest-posts__post-excerpt\">How have you loved, what have you done for others? is Nicole Dron&#8217;s second book. She is best known for her NDE, which she describes in detail in 45 seconds of eternity. She was one of the first Frenchwomen to speak out about her experience in 1968, when she underwent surgery. Here are a few\u2026 <a class=\"wp-block-latest-posts__read-more\" href=\"https:\/\/la-vie-et-apres.fr\/en\/how-did-you-like-it\/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Read more<span class=\"screen-reader-text\">: How have you loved?<\/span><\/a><\/div><\/li>\n<li><div class=\"wp-block-latest-posts__featured-image\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"360\" height=\"360\" src=\"https:\/\/la-vie-et-apres.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/joie-guerison.jpg\" class=\"attachment-large size-large wp-post-image\" alt=\"\" style=\"\" srcset=\"https:\/\/la-vie-et-apres.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/joie-guerison.jpg 360w, https:\/\/la-vie-et-apres.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/joie-guerison-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/la-vie-et-apres.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/joie-guerison-150x150.jpg 150w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 360px) 100vw, 360px\" \/><\/div><a class=\"wp-block-latest-posts__post-title\" href=\"https:\/\/la-vie-et-apres.fr\/en\/can-miracles-heal\/\">Can miracles (really) heal?<\/a><time datetime=\"2024-06-20T16:10:55+00:00\" class=\"wp-block-latest-posts__post-date\">June 20, 2024<\/time><div class=\"wp-block-latest-posts__post-excerpt\">I don&#8217;t just believe it. I know it. I&#8217;ll get straight to the point: yes, miraculous cures do exist.Not just in ancient books, or stories told with a fuzzy, faraway air.I say it because it happened to me.And if you&#8217;ve got a few minutes, I&#8217;ll tell you. It all started with a rather discouraging diagnosis.\u2026 <a class=\"wp-block-latest-posts__read-more\" href=\"https:\/\/la-vie-et-apres.fr\/en\/can-miracles-heal\/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Read more<span class=\"screen-reader-text\">: Can miracles (really) heal?<\/span><\/a><\/div><\/li>\n<li><div class=\"wp-block-latest-posts__featured-image\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"450\" height=\"360\" src=\"https:\/\/la-vie-et-apres.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/zoltan-tasi-vHnVtLK8rCc-unsplash1.jpg\" class=\"attachment-large size-large wp-post-image\" alt=\"\" style=\"\" srcset=\"https:\/\/la-vie-et-apres.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/zoltan-tasi-vHnVtLK8rCc-unsplash1.jpg 450w, https:\/\/la-vie-et-apres.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/06\/zoltan-tasi-vHnVtLK8rCc-unsplash1-300x240.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 450px) 100vw, 450px\" \/><\/div><a class=\"wp-block-latest-posts__post-title\" href=\"https:\/\/la-vie-et-apres.fr\/en\/the-light-in-the-lotus-flower\/\">The light in the lotus flower<\/a><time datetime=\"2024-06-18T14:10:09+00:00\" class=\"wp-block-latest-posts__post-date\">June 18, 2024<\/time><div class=\"wp-block-latest-posts__post-excerpt\">Elisabeth K\u00fcbler-Ross describes one of her most powerful experiences: encountering the Light and unconditional Love spoken to her by her patients. &#8220;I saw something that looked like the bud of a lotus flower open upin front of me to become a wonderful flower. And behind thislotus flower, there was suddenly the light my patients had\u2026 <a class=\"wp-block-latest-posts__read-more\" href=\"https:\/\/la-vie-et-apres.fr\/en\/the-light-in-the-lotus-flower\/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Read more<span class=\"screen-reader-text\">: The light in the lotus flower<\/span><\/a><\/div><\/li>\n<li><div class=\"wp-block-latest-posts__featured-image\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"360\" height=\"360\" src=\"https:\/\/la-vie-et-apres.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/02\/Temoignage-EMI.png\" class=\"attachment-large size-large wp-post-image\" alt=\"\" style=\"\" srcset=\"https:\/\/la-vie-et-apres.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/02\/Temoignage-EMI.png 360w, https:\/\/la-vie-et-apres.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/02\/Temoignage-EMI-300x300.png 300w, https:\/\/la-vie-et-apres.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/02\/Temoignage-EMI-150x150.png 150w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 360px) 100vw, 360px\" \/><\/div><a class=\"wp-block-latest-posts__post-title\" href=\"https:\/\/la-vie-et-apres.fr\/en\/life-goes-on-after-death\/\">Life goes on after death<\/a><time datetime=\"2024-02-07T16:31:08+00:00\" class=\"wp-block-latest-posts__post-date\">February 7, 2024<\/time><div class=\"wp-block-latest-posts__post-excerpt\">Stories of near-death experiences: the Light awaits us &#8220;All the people I&#8217;ve interviewed, and my own experience, allow me to be certain of one thing: when we die, after a transition that often resembles a tunnel, we arrive close to a source of light (&#8230;) In its presence we feel enveloped by a total and\u2026 <a class=\"wp-block-latest-posts__read-more\" href=\"https:\/\/la-vie-et-apres.fr\/en\/life-goes-on-after-death\/\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Read more<span class=\"screen-reader-text\">: Life goes on after death<\/span><\/a><\/div><\/li>\n<\/ul>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Here are a few testimonials from people who have undergone an IME or other &#8220;altered state of consciousness&#8221; experience. This is a very subjective selection; you can find thousands of other stories, some of them in French, on the site of NDERF &#8211; Near-Death Experiences Research Foundation and on the IANDS &#8211; France website.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":3,"featured_media":0,"parent":0,"menu_order":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","template":"","meta":{"_uag_custom_page_level_css":"","_monsterinsights_skip_tracking":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_active":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_note":"","_monsterinsights_sitenote_category":0,"_uf_show_specific_survey":0,"_uf_disable_surveys":false,"site-sidebar-layout":"default","site-content-layout":"","ast-site-content-layout":"default","site-content-style":"default","site-sidebar-style":"default","ast-global-header-display":"","ast-banner-title-visibility":"","ast-main-header-display":"","ast-hfb-above-header-display":"","ast-hfb-below-header-display":"","ast-hfb-mobile-header-display":"","site-post-title":"","ast-breadcrumbs-content":"","ast-featured-img":"","footer-sml-layout":"","theme-transparent-header-meta":"","adv-header-id-meta":"","stick-header-meta":"","header-above-stick-meta":"","header-main-stick-meta":"","header-below-stick-meta":"","astra-migrate-meta-layouts":"default","ast-page-background-enabled":"default","ast-page-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-4)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"ast-content-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-5)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-5)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-5)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-opacity":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"footnotes":""},"class_list":["post-5698","page","type-page","status-publish","hentry"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO Premium plugin v24.9 (Yoast SEO v27.5) - https:\/\/yoast.com\/product\/yoast-seo-premium-wordpress\/ -->\n<title>Testimonials - La Vie, et Apr\u00e8s<\/title>\n<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"index, follow, max-snippet:-1, max-image-preview:large, max-video-preview:-1\" \/>\n<link rel=\"canonical\" href=\"https:\/\/la-vie-et-apres.fr\/en\/testimonials\/\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:locale\" content=\"en_US\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:type\" content=\"article\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:title\" content=\"Testimonials\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:description\" content=\"Here are a few testimonials from people who have undergone an IME or other &#8220;altered state of consciousness&#8221; experience. 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